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Post by John Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:22 pm

When the club ran bullhead it was a well managed beat system. What you see now is the result of the goverment attempting to manage it. Issues like this is why I am dead set against any raise in licensing. The local TU chapter is highly involved at Stone, there the ones who do massive clean ups and aided in the restoration of the banks (that burlap material) where the pavement ends to the park exit. I would suggest you contact them or better yet, vitist them at one of their meetings http://smtu.org/index.php and see how they have addressed these issues at the park.
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Post by SBeane Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:07 am

Lance, that's the problem. If rangers aren't doing there job now, they aren't going to do it if the stream is restocked. If they can't keep people from poaching right beside the road there's no way they can keep them off Bullhead. Again, not saying it's impossible, just that it seems to be too much "effort" for the rangers.

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Post by Lance Mon Feb 01, 2010 8:59 am

Thats a great idea John. My whole goal is to address the park directly. I want to make them aware of the fact that they need to change their ways. With the help of TU I think we can get our message across that we dont mind being stopped, every time if thats what is takes, as long as they are catching the ones breaking the law. As far as Bull Head Creak, they have already dropped the ball because the agreement was to keep the stream up as the previous club did. I want to ask them to either fix it and maintain it or possibly allow the local TU chapter to restore and manage it (stock if needed and feed regularly). They would then only have to patrol it. I dont think any of us are asking the impossible I think we just want them to do their jobs.
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Post by Lance Sun Feb 07, 2010 9:17 am

Well inagine that. As of right now I have not recieved an email back from the park. What a shame. I guess the next time Im up there Ill just have to stop in and say hello. I guess the only thing now is to contact the Stone Mountain chapter of TU and see what they can or want to do.
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Post by John Sun Feb 07, 2010 4:29 pm

I think getting with the local TU will give you some direction. Its frustrating, I know. Next time you head out, holler at me we can hit the wild water just outside the park a few minutes down the road.

PS. I appreciate your time and efforts, stone needs a lot of attention, maybe your efforts will make them notice and address the issues.
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Post by Lance Sun Feb 07, 2010 10:03 pm

Stone Mountian TU capter contacted. I told them that if they want they can post their response on here so everyone is "in the know".
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Post by Lance Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:51 am

Well I recieved a response from the local TU cahpter and here is the email.

Lance,Not trying to sound like a snob or anything, but really the delayed harvest areas are not a major concern for any TU chapter I would think. Our chapters main focus is education, conservation and the environment surroundings of the streams. If you take care of the stream and environment around the stream, the stream takes care of itself. As for the poaching I would say with the current situations a lot of people find themselves in economically, this trend may worsen. I would also say the increased water flows have displaced more stocked fish down stream. In that case I don't even know if folks catching fish down Gristle Tail Road would be breaking any laws until March. Here again with Bullhead Creek being a fed stream for trophy fish we haven't discussed it in some years. It does serve a purpose but doesn't appear to be a conservation issue. I am sorry if you are disappointed with my answer and this is just my own opinion on these subjects but feel it would be shared by most of our active members. Pretty much all of us fish wild trout waters and that is our main focus. Contacting the park sounds like the right avenue to voice your concerns. In that respect good luck to you. I will however forward this to my e-mail list of SMTU members to allow other feed-back and see what response I get. JeffSMTU President

I understand where they are comming from with wanting to preserve and better native streams, but I have to say Im a little dissapointed.
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Post by Buffalo96 Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:13 am

Yeah, that did sound a little snooty. Almost like, "Its OK to poach as long as you don't piss in the stream while you are doing it." I understand their overall national goal but you would think a local group would be interested in preserving all the waters we fish and the fish themselves. Stocked or not.

I guess it is strictly a state wildlife issue since the fish are provided to us by the state with our tax dollars. I also have never been one to condone stealing, even if you are in an economic pickle. Theft is theft. I don't want to get off on a rant here.
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Post by Tyler Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:42 pm

"Pretty much all of us fish wild trout waters and that is our main focus".....That pretty much says to me, we care mostly about the wild trout streams and could care less about the DH streams. Sure, the wild trout streams are more important to mantain than the DH streams, but paying a little attention to the DH streams won't hurt...

If this persists, I'm without a doubt going to turn away from Stone Mountain and fish the new Wilson Creek DH more. Not worth the gas money to go up to Stone Mtn to be greeted by fishless waters and excessive poaching...
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Post by John Fri Feb 12, 2010 1:30 am

Typical Neutral ... I've waited four days to place a response to this, enough said. I hate more of an interest isn't given to the park, hell people gonna figure out where the real waters are now... Laughing
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Post by darscruggs Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:54 pm

The new game warden in Wilkes County is Officer Bullins. His e-mail address is gamewarden137@yahoo.com and telephone # is 336-466-1008. He is interested in hearing from us about the problems of trout poaching, fishing violations at Stone Mountain State Park.

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Post by Lance Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:43 pm

That is a great piece of info. Thank you scruggs.
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Post by Buffalo96 Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:36 pm

I saw this on the SEFF today:

I have tippy toed around to get inside information and see what can be done to coherse the Park to do their part and maintain it like a "trophy stream" I received a response from Kin Hodges from NCWRC and he mentioned that the timing of my inquiry couldn't have been any better. The Park recently commissioned NC State Dept of Fisheries to do stream evaluations on all creeks in Stone Mountain including Bullhead and from the reports, the Park can plan accordingly to manage it in the future.

Opinions seemed to vary. Some were for restoration to "the old days" and others were opposed to raising trophy fish saying that catching pellet fed trout was unsporting.

Here is the original thread on SEFF, Restoration of Bullhead
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Post by SBeane Wed Jun 16, 2010 3:28 pm

Hey guys, just thought I'd post here instead of creating a new thread for Bullhead. Anyways, over the past couple of months my opinion of this stream has changed. If they're going to increase the fee to $22, they should at least be putting some work into the fishery and trying to improve it. After all, we expect this to be a trophy stream...well maybe not.
The recent fee increase prompted me to send an email to the park, I just wanted a clear justification. Edward Farr, the superintendent of the park, told me that the increase was due only to budget shortfalls...ok I kind of expected that. However, he also had some surprising information for me. Mr. Farr says that Bullhead has never been advertised or managed as a trophy stream, the fee is only to ensure you get a beat to yourself. He also said that there is still supplemental feeding going on, this seems to contradict various stories from the park rangers. Finally, Mr. Farr said that there is no agreement between the Blue Ridge Fly Fishers (the club that controlled Bullhead and maintained it before Stone Mtn got it) and the park to maintain the stream as it was.
IMO, if the park isn't committed to protecting a true trophy stream, they need to get rid of the fee and reclassify Bullhead and Rich Mtn as wild waters.

Just some food for thought,

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Post by Tyler Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:38 pm

I agree with you Seth. The thing that boggles my mind, is the fact that they are feeding what little "trophy" fish are still remaining. Last time I heard, they electro-shocked Bullhead and came up with around 27 fish. In total and throughout all of the beats. In my book, the number of fish found is a little low to be properly called a trophy trout section. I honestly think letting Bullhead go wild is the best option. Establishing a year round catch and release fly fishing only section would immensely help this dying fishery. We need more quality C&R fly fish only streams anyways. We only have 4 (a section of the Davidson River, Elk River, Lost Cove Creek, and the South Toe). Wild waters/C&R waters save us from insanity in the summer, when DH streams are being robbed of their booty.
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Post by SBeane Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:34 pm

I actually asked him about that 27 fish rumor because I've heard the same thing. He said that he hasn't received results from the two year study from 2008 and 2009 (I thought this was a recently commissioned evaluation??), but he "suspects the population is much higher"....right.

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Post by Tyler Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:14 pm

"suspects the population is much higher"...much lower
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Post by roll cast Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:01 pm

poachers stink

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